Hi Jeff, when a Nobel Laureate who developed the WSPR database says that using it to track any aircraft flight is "crazy," I'm inclined to believe him. That being said, Godfrey continues to get traction via Geoffrey Thomas' YouTube channel. His current position for MH370 is 29° South, 99° East, far from any other estimation. I'm also inclined to believe what Kevin Rupp heard about OI putting no faith in Godfrey or his theory, but if the next search phase ignores this location, the nonsense will go on and on. I certainly don't expect Oliver Plunkett to take advice from me, especially when the cost is so high. " A million here, a million there; pretty soon it adds up to real money." ~Senator Everett Dirksen
I think you're perceiving the situation quite clearly, Tom. I'd add that the nonsense will go on and on regardless of whether Ocean Infinity searches Godfrey's latest site or not. He has already been proven to be a scammer, but in the new age of shamelessness scammers just keep doing what they do; there are no penalties for lying, so the lying just keeps multiplying. Look at Ashton Forbes; his claims have never been anything other than ridiculous on their face but look at how much traction he has gotten. I don't know what to do except to keep trying to gather data and try to make sense of it and hope that somehow is all works out in the end.
What prompted me to write you regarding Godfrey was watching a video "short" that popped up unbidden on my phone this morning. "This Man Has Found MH370!!!" And of course it was he. Not only did he specify the degrees of longitude and latitude, but also the minutes and seconds! And I'm laughing my ass off until I realized that people, perhaps even passengers' families and friends, actually believe that! Perhaps even Godfrey has commenced to believe it. Your mention of Ashton Forbes gave me an idea. Put up a short feature purporting to be a computer enhancement or the three blue balls encircling the plane. The enhancement would show a celestial clown juggling the balls around the plane as it flies to it's final blip.
Do we really have to wait until november untl there is some activity about the new search? Aren't there no preparations for the research? Such as which vessel will they use? The Armada 7806 is now heading to Vietnam i saw.
You're quite right, we don't need to forget about the case until then. I've been busy with other projects but will keep making videos about various aspects of the case that I think deserve attention. Do let me know if you have any requests!
I appreciate your running this by me. You're right, there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there -- I prefer to think of them as bogus claims -- and this one certainly seems to fit the bill. There is no evidence that MH370 was remotely hijacked, and I can't think of a mechanism by which it would be possible. And I've never seen any evidence that any MH17 debris came from MH370.
I was happy to see that we won't have to wait until November to benefit further from your clear-eyed analysis of the fate of MH370. There's definitely a lot of crazy talk out there. Interestingly, the Godfrey, Thomas, Gibson trio announced this morning that Blaine Gibson is going to be a regular on Geoffrey Thomas' daily podcast. To their credit, they dispelled the sillier conspiracy theories now abroad in the world. But the rest of the podcast was reading fan mail and the usual self-congratulatory responses.
I really hope you come back soon, but judging by what's out there, there's been nothing of substance to report.
Thanks for the update, Tom. Yes, I doubt that there will be any news from the seabed search for quite a while, but there is still much to discuss about the case and I'm working on a new episode right now.
That's great news, Jeff. I'm looking forward to it. Godfrey is certainly a strange one. After declaring that all Ocean Infinity personnel are sworn to silence, he proceeds with intimate details of every ship they own, and some they don't! I don't know if any of it is true; it's certainly irrelevant to MH370.
Within a few hours of finding out about the disappearance of MH279 I received a message from spirit I will never forget. I was given a vision that/
1. The plane has been hijacked
2. The plan was taken for nefarious reasons
3. Most of the people onboard were dying or dead
4. No one would ever see or find this plane.
In my vision with these messages I saw it landing on a remote island. I didn’t see anything else, but got the impression the plane might be used to deliver a theorist attack or for some other evil purpose in the future. But, again, the public would not know and be forever in the dark. No one on the plane would ever be seen by the larger world again.
I have had premonitions my entire life that came true. I know and have always known, this plane was taken and landed somewhere. This plane didn’t crash and it didn’t blow up.
Also, the pilots didn’t have anything to do with what happened. They were victims. I didn’t see this in my vision at the time. But I have always felt it very strongly. We have been lied to.
I understood Vietnam ATC asked the captain of the flight bound to Narita, Japan, as that one seemed to be the closest to MH370. The captain was pretty sure that he heard the Copilot of MH370. in the cockpit. Unfortunetly the captain wants to be anonymously. If it really was the copilot then he was the last who contacted the crew. But as you say Jeff, there is no real evidence this has happened.
Ik know ther always appear rumours at big incidents.
But in this case it is also listed in Wikepedia:
"The crew was expected to signal ATC in Ho Chi Minh City as the aircraft passed into Vietnamese airspace, just north of the point where contact was lost.[68][69] The captain of another aircraft attempted to contact the crew of Flight 370 shortly after 01:30, using the international air distress frequency, to relay Vietnamese air traffic control's request for the crew to contact them; the captain said he was able to establish communication, but heard only "mumbling" and static.[70] Calls made to Flight 370's cockpit at 02:39 and 07:13 were unanswered, but acknowledged by the aircraft's satellite data unit"
Well, let's work this out for ourselves. When the other pilot heard "mumbling and static" on the frequency, how was he able to tell which aircraft was making the transmission?
When the plane was disappeared, they tried to make contact via the emergency frequency of an other plane in that area. There was a connection, but they heard only a kind of mumbling. There came not much info about that. Why diddn't they try it again? It must give important infomation, mumbling tells you that the crew (or somebody else) was alive at that time. Was there no more evaluation on that? What plane was that? Which captain or copilot?
You write, "There was a connection." Well, radios aren't like telephones; you don't connect from one person to another, you send your signal into space and anyone can hear it. If someone heard mumbling on an emergency frequency, there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that it came from MH370.
People continue to get tripped up by the reporting that was done in the early days after MH370 disappeared -- as is very common after any big breaking news stories, a lot of stuff gets reported that winds up not being true. Another one is the idea that the plane's engines were sending data via satellite.
Then some other point I was thinking about: when Armada 7806 set his course to singapore, it could had easlily pass by 2 other hotspots to examine. It seems they were close by these spots. I was wondering why not use the opportunity. It looks a bit (to me) that they were suddenly in a hurry to head to Singapore.
I don't think it was in a hurry to get to Singapore; I think it was following a schedule that had been planned well in advance, as it had to get to a job somewhere else. As for those other hotspots, they might only have been "hot" in the mind of the amateur investigators who proposed them; anything that isn't near Victor's proposed search area has little solid analytical basis, IMO.
Hi Frans, Yes, that was an interesting little diversion. I haven't heard a good explanation for why it did that. Maybe to do with waiting for traffic through the strait? Definitely not a search hotspot for MH370.
Jeff, you may want to watch Airline News today. Captain Martin Smith from Emarates (sp?) is quoted with a message for you. Additionally, Godfrey seems to be saying that Inmarsat's metadata collection was not tightly held info. Just wanted to give you the heads-up.
Thanks for the heads-up Tom--I don't watch that site, just too much misinformation. I've said my piece about Godfrey, people can make of it what they will/ What is Smith saying?
Well, he's saying you libeled him. As for Godfrey, he's listing a variety of entities that knew about the meta data that Inmarsat recorded. Just watch it. Nothing outlandish from Godfrey and Thomas today.
Appreciate your filling me in. I'm not going to engage, it's all nonsense. And the people who follow Godfrey really don't want to hear that they're being lied to.
I agree. I watch it essentially as a study in confirmation bias. The comments from listeners are most telling and amount to little more than "love letters" to Godfrey, Thomas, and Blaine Gibson. Godfrey, in fact, received a marriage proposal from some woman somewhere! It's pretty damn silly.
Hi Jeff, when a Nobel Laureate who developed the WSPR database says that using it to track any aircraft flight is "crazy," I'm inclined to believe him. That being said, Godfrey continues to get traction via Geoffrey Thomas' YouTube channel. His current position for MH370 is 29° South, 99° East, far from any other estimation. I'm also inclined to believe what Kevin Rupp heard about OI putting no faith in Godfrey or his theory, but if the next search phase ignores this location, the nonsense will go on and on. I certainly don't expect Oliver Plunkett to take advice from me, especially when the cost is so high. " A million here, a million there; pretty soon it adds up to real money." ~Senator Everett Dirksen
I think you're perceiving the situation quite clearly, Tom. I'd add that the nonsense will go on and on regardless of whether Ocean Infinity searches Godfrey's latest site or not. He has already been proven to be a scammer, but in the new age of shamelessness scammers just keep doing what they do; there are no penalties for lying, so the lying just keeps multiplying. Look at Ashton Forbes; his claims have never been anything other than ridiculous on their face but look at how much traction he has gotten. I don't know what to do except to keep trying to gather data and try to make sense of it and hope that somehow is all works out in the end.
What prompted me to write you regarding Godfrey was watching a video "short" that popped up unbidden on my phone this morning. "This Man Has Found MH370!!!" And of course it was he. Not only did he specify the degrees of longitude and latitude, but also the minutes and seconds! And I'm laughing my ass off until I realized that people, perhaps even passengers' families and friends, actually believe that! Perhaps even Godfrey has commenced to believe it. Your mention of Ashton Forbes gave me an idea. Put up a short feature purporting to be a computer enhancement or the three blue balls encircling the plane. The enhancement would show a celestial clown juggling the balls around the plane as it flies to it's final blip.
That's funny, but unfortunately any engagement with these creeps only encourages them.
Jeff,
Do we really have to wait until november untl there is some activity about the new search? Aren't there no preparations for the research? Such as which vessel will they use? The Armada 7806 is now heading to Vietnam i saw.
Hi Frans,
You're quite right, we don't need to forget about the case until then. I've been busy with other projects but will keep making videos about various aspects of the case that I think deserve attention. Do let me know if you have any requests!
Jeff, I know that there is a lot of conspirancy theories on this. At the other hand: I don't want to withhold this video from you.
Despite of the maker his opinion, the facts about the logo and piece of wrackages that does not match, I am curious what ypu will think of this.
https://pateo.nl/HTML/EN/Pateo_TV/PateoTV048.htm
Regards, Frans
Hi Frans,
I appreciate your running this by me. You're right, there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there -- I prefer to think of them as bogus claims -- and this one certainly seems to fit the bill. There is no evidence that MH370 was remotely hijacked, and I can't think of a mechanism by which it would be possible. And I've never seen any evidence that any MH17 debris came from MH370.
Jeff,
I was happy to see that we won't have to wait until November to benefit further from your clear-eyed analysis of the fate of MH370. There's definitely a lot of crazy talk out there. Interestingly, the Godfrey, Thomas, Gibson trio announced this morning that Blaine Gibson is going to be a regular on Geoffrey Thomas' daily podcast. To their credit, they dispelled the sillier conspiracy theories now abroad in the world. But the rest of the podcast was reading fan mail and the usual self-congratulatory responses.
I really hope you come back soon, but judging by what's out there, there's been nothing of substance to report.
Thanks for the update, Tom. Yes, I doubt that there will be any news from the seabed search for quite a while, but there is still much to discuss about the case and I'm working on a new episode right now.
That's great news, Jeff. I'm looking forward to it. Godfrey is certainly a strange one. After declaring that all Ocean Infinity personnel are sworn to silence, he proceeds with intimate details of every ship they own, and some they don't! I don't know if any of it is true; it's certainly irrelevant to MH370.
Within a few hours of finding out about the disappearance of MH279 I received a message from spirit I will never forget. I was given a vision that/
1. The plane has been hijacked
2. The plan was taken for nefarious reasons
3. Most of the people onboard were dying or dead
4. No one would ever see or find this plane.
In my vision with these messages I saw it landing on a remote island. I didn’t see anything else, but got the impression the plane might be used to deliver a theorist attack or for some other evil purpose in the future. But, again, the public would not know and be forever in the dark. No one on the plane would ever be seen by the larger world again.
I have had premonitions my entire life that came true. I know and have always known, this plane was taken and landed somewhere. This plane didn’t crash and it didn’t blow up.
Also, the pilots didn’t have anything to do with what happened. They were victims. I didn’t see this in my vision at the time. But I have always felt it very strongly. We have been lied to.
Well, the plane definitely didn't land on an island!
You’re funny.
I understood Vietnam ATC asked the captain of the flight bound to Narita, Japan, as that one seemed to be the closest to MH370. The captain was pretty sure that he heard the Copilot of MH370. in the cockpit. Unfortunetly the captain wants to be anonymously. If it really was the copilot then he was the last who contacted the crew. But as you say Jeff, there is no real evidence this has happened.
Correct.
Hmm,
Ik know ther always appear rumours at big incidents.
But in this case it is also listed in Wikepedia:
"The crew was expected to signal ATC in Ho Chi Minh City as the aircraft passed into Vietnamese airspace, just north of the point where contact was lost.[68][69] The captain of another aircraft attempted to contact the crew of Flight 370 shortly after 01:30, using the international air distress frequency, to relay Vietnamese air traffic control's request for the crew to contact them; the captain said he was able to establish communication, but heard only "mumbling" and static.[70] Calls made to Flight 370's cockpit at 02:39 and 07:13 were unanswered, but acknowledged by the aircraft's satellite data unit"
Well, let's work this out for ourselves. When the other pilot heard "mumbling and static" on the frequency, how was he able to tell which aircraft was making the transmission?
When the plane was disappeared, they tried to make contact via the emergency frequency of an other plane in that area. There was a connection, but they heard only a kind of mumbling. There came not much info about that. Why diddn't they try it again? It must give important infomation, mumbling tells you that the crew (or somebody else) was alive at that time. Was there no more evaluation on that? What plane was that? Which captain or copilot?
You write, "There was a connection." Well, radios aren't like telephones; you don't connect from one person to another, you send your signal into space and anyone can hear it. If someone heard mumbling on an emergency frequency, there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that it came from MH370.
Jeff, but this is what there is written:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200416222041/https://www.asiaone.com/malaysia/pilot-i-established-contact-plane
If this is true there was contact with the cockpit of mh370.
People continue to get tripped up by the reporting that was done in the early days after MH370 disappeared -- as is very common after any big breaking news stories, a lot of stuff gets reported that winds up not being true. Another one is the idea that the plane's engines were sending data via satellite.
Then some other point I was thinking about: when Armada 7806 set his course to singapore, it could had easlily pass by 2 other hotspots to examine. It seems they were close by these spots. I was wondering why not use the opportunity. It looks a bit (to me) that they were suddenly in a hurry to head to Singapore.
I don't think it was in a hurry to get to Singapore; I think it was following a schedule that had been planned well in advance, as it had to get to a job somewhere else. As for those other hotspots, they might only have been "hot" in the mind of the amateur investigators who proposed them; anything that isn't near Victor's proposed search area has little solid analytical basis, IMO.
Jeff,
On his way to Singapore Armada 7806 stoped at
-6.435, 103.405 and made some movements in that area before continuing to Singapore. Was that area also indicated as a possible search hotspot?
Hi Frans, Yes, that was an interesting little diversion. I haven't heard a good explanation for why it did that. Maybe to do with waiting for traffic through the strait? Definitely not a search hotspot for MH370.
Jeff, you may want to watch Airline News today. Captain Martin Smith from Emarates (sp?) is quoted with a message for you. Additionally, Godfrey seems to be saying that Inmarsat's metadata collection was not tightly held info. Just wanted to give you the heads-up.
Thanks for the heads-up Tom--I don't watch that site, just too much misinformation. I've said my piece about Godfrey, people can make of it what they will/ What is Smith saying?
Well, he's saying you libeled him. As for Godfrey, he's listing a variety of entities that knew about the meta data that Inmarsat recorded. Just watch it. Nothing outlandish from Godfrey and Thomas today.
Appreciate your filling me in. I'm not going to engage, it's all nonsense. And the people who follow Godfrey really don't want to hear that they're being lied to.
I agree. I watch it essentially as a study in confirmation bias. The comments from listeners are most telling and amount to little more than "love letters" to Godfrey, Thomas, and Blaine Gibson. Godfrey, in fact, received a marriage proposal from some woman somewhere! It's pretty damn silly.