Malaysia shared the first ~20 minutes of the crossing over the military radar installation but at 18:22 was the last “ping” and Malaysia shared nothing about it or thereafter to this date. Why not? as you inferred, seems more information can be at least gleaned
Also,
after transponder turned off, you’ve made a couple of references on different podcasts, but on this particular episode, you reference that the plane was going “very fast” or “like a bat out of hell“ but how do u or they know It was going very fast since you mentioned that on primary radar, it is very hard to accurately determine speed of the plane
Not meaning to be nitpicky
Lastly, on “the pilot“ episode, you mentioned only 1/100th of attention was paid to the copilot when compared to the captain. With regards to the fact that copilot brought females into the cabin in 2011, in clear violation, was it actually during a flight? Or when the plane was not in flight? has copilot ever fully been vetted? Perhaps he might’ve been an extremist.
1. Yes, indeed, it would be great to have that information. No idea why they've kept it so close to their chest. Might have something to do with the fact that, being at the edge of the radar's range, it would reveal the exact limits of their detection capability.
2. It's hard to determine the speed of an aircraft from a single radar point. But if you've watched them fly for an hour it's a simple matter to divide the length of the path by the time spent in transit to calculate the average speed.
3. Whether or not he was an extremist (he wasn't) the actions that were undertaken were clearly those of someone with sophistication and experience, which Fariq was not. For what it's worth, I don't think it's very plausible that Zaharie could or would have carried them out, either. But he certainly had vastly more experience and knowledge of the aircraft.
Great discussion on perp psych. It’s tough to stay in a suicidal mind frame for 6 hours. The hijackers were motivated so I would expect them to be able to stay in that mind frame. Several questions on the plane. Could autopilot have been engaged from the eBay? Could depressurization take place through the eBay? Is there access to comms in the eBay?
If perp listening in comms in eBay as soon as they hear good night they turn on autopilot and the plane makes a hard left. Was it more than a standard turn? Will auto pilot let you program more than a full standard turn? They depressurize plane. Is it possible to turn off oxygen masks? The 2 perps get into cockpit and take control. Scuba tanks for perps. They fly to east Asia.
Great questions, Trip. I'm exploring a vulnerability right now that would allow hijackers in the E/E bay to take direct control of the flight control surfaces; I haven't explored whether it would be possible to take over the autopilot, which would be a more complicated operation. It's widely believed that the big initial left turn was performed too steeply to be done on autopilot anyway. I also don't know about depressurization. I do think that monitoring comms would be fairly straightforward, by clipping into the ARINC 629 bus. And it would be easy to shut off oxygen to the cabin crews' emergency masks from the E/E bay as the tank is right down there.
Hi Jeff, I'm glad to see the video has posted on this site, but surprised to see only a response from Prue; I guess all those with something to say got their licks in last weekend. The response from a listener proposing that Zaharie pulled off his mask and just went to sleep was Green Dot's theory of the end, as I recall. But it misses the key point: Why would Zaharie commit mass murder and suicide in the first place? There was slander and hearsay and innuendo that he was not as normal and chill as he seemed, but nothing, true or false, that could explain what most believe about him. The only concrete thing pointing to his guilt is the simulator flight, which he tried to delete. In court, a skilled plaintiff lawyer or a prosecutor would probably win on that alone. As far as I know, no one has suggested that the southern route was created by someone else to frame Zaharie.
Your psychological profile of the perp is sound and consistent, and it doesn't sound like a commercial pilot. Still, there abides the question, "Who flew the plane?" I still can't buy that such exquisite navigation and airmanship could have been accomplished by an unknown hijacker in the avionics bay. Altering the data is wholly believable. I refer to the little rhyme about Benjamin Jowett and the certainty of Mike Exner.
It's far too early for speculation, but the crash of Air India Flight 717, in light of your Vanity Fair piece, is definitely disquieting.
Thanks, Tom. Air India is disturbing, a lot of people are scratching their heads, trying to imagine what went wrong. Mechanical? Human error? Maybe some of each... just too early even to speculate.
I agree with your deductions about The pilot. What about the remote hijacking theory that was floated a few years back ? I can’t understand why Butterworth didn’t see or acknowledge the plane. If they did then it just smacks of deception and coverup. Thankyou for your evaluation.
Thanks Prue! There has been talk from time to time about Boeing's "Uninterruptible Autopilot" which apparently they really did obtain a patent for, but there's no evidence it was ever installed in any airplane--the pilots' union wouldn't stand for it. As for Butterworth's failure to respond to MH370's turnback, I simply think that at the time it was beyond their imagining that such a thing could happen, and they were not in any kind of alert posture to respond to any threats. Which makes you wondered why they bothered to have radar coverage...
I just re-listened to the “turnback” episode
You made two comments that I’m curious about…
Malaysia shared the first ~20 minutes of the crossing over the military radar installation but at 18:22 was the last “ping” and Malaysia shared nothing about it or thereafter to this date. Why not? as you inferred, seems more information can be at least gleaned
Also,
after transponder turned off, you’ve made a couple of references on different podcasts, but on this particular episode, you reference that the plane was going “very fast” or “like a bat out of hell“ but how do u or they know It was going very fast since you mentioned that on primary radar, it is very hard to accurately determine speed of the plane
Not meaning to be nitpicky
Lastly, on “the pilot“ episode, you mentioned only 1/100th of attention was paid to the copilot when compared to the captain. With regards to the fact that copilot brought females into the cabin in 2011, in clear violation, was it actually during a flight? Or when the plane was not in flight? has copilot ever fully been vetted? Perhaps he might’ve been an extremist.
thank u
Great questions, Dr Doug.
1. Yes, indeed, it would be great to have that information. No idea why they've kept it so close to their chest. Might have something to do with the fact that, being at the edge of the radar's range, it would reveal the exact limits of their detection capability.
2. It's hard to determine the speed of an aircraft from a single radar point. But if you've watched them fly for an hour it's a simple matter to divide the length of the path by the time spent in transit to calculate the average speed.
3. Whether or not he was an extremist (he wasn't) the actions that were undertaken were clearly those of someone with sophistication and experience, which Fariq was not. For what it's worth, I don't think it's very plausible that Zaharie could or would have carried them out, either. But he certainly had vastly more experience and knowledge of the aircraft.
Was there any indication that any of the three perps had flight training?
No, not that I'm aware of.
Great discussion on perp psych. It’s tough to stay in a suicidal mind frame for 6 hours. The hijackers were motivated so I would expect them to be able to stay in that mind frame. Several questions on the plane. Could autopilot have been engaged from the eBay? Could depressurization take place through the eBay? Is there access to comms in the eBay?
If perp listening in comms in eBay as soon as they hear good night they turn on autopilot and the plane makes a hard left. Was it more than a standard turn? Will auto pilot let you program more than a full standard turn? They depressurize plane. Is it possible to turn off oxygen masks? The 2 perps get into cockpit and take control. Scuba tanks for perps. They fly to east Asia.
Great questions, Trip. I'm exploring a vulnerability right now that would allow hijackers in the E/E bay to take direct control of the flight control surfaces; I haven't explored whether it would be possible to take over the autopilot, which would be a more complicated operation. It's widely believed that the big initial left turn was performed too steeply to be done on autopilot anyway. I also don't know about depressurization. I do think that monitoring comms would be fairly straightforward, by clipping into the ARINC 629 bus. And it would be easy to shut off oxygen to the cabin crews' emergency masks from the E/E bay as the tank is right down there.
Hi Jeff, I'm glad to see the video has posted on this site, but surprised to see only a response from Prue; I guess all those with something to say got their licks in last weekend. The response from a listener proposing that Zaharie pulled off his mask and just went to sleep was Green Dot's theory of the end, as I recall. But it misses the key point: Why would Zaharie commit mass murder and suicide in the first place? There was slander and hearsay and innuendo that he was not as normal and chill as he seemed, but nothing, true or false, that could explain what most believe about him. The only concrete thing pointing to his guilt is the simulator flight, which he tried to delete. In court, a skilled plaintiff lawyer or a prosecutor would probably win on that alone. As far as I know, no one has suggested that the southern route was created by someone else to frame Zaharie.
Your psychological profile of the perp is sound and consistent, and it doesn't sound like a commercial pilot. Still, there abides the question, "Who flew the plane?" I still can't buy that such exquisite navigation and airmanship could have been accomplished by an unknown hijacker in the avionics bay. Altering the data is wholly believable. I refer to the little rhyme about Benjamin Jowett and the certainty of Mike Exner.
It's far too early for speculation, but the crash of Air India Flight 717, in light of your Vanity Fair piece, is definitely disquieting.
Thanks, Tom. Air India is disturbing, a lot of people are scratching their heads, trying to imagine what went wrong. Mechanical? Human error? Maybe some of each... just too early even to speculate.
I agree with your deductions about The pilot. What about the remote hijacking theory that was floated a few years back ? I can’t understand why Butterworth didn’t see or acknowledge the plane. If they did then it just smacks of deception and coverup. Thankyou for your evaluation.
Thanks Prue! There has been talk from time to time about Boeing's "Uninterruptible Autopilot" which apparently they really did obtain a patent for, but there's no evidence it was ever installed in any airplane--the pilots' union wouldn't stand for it. As for Butterworth's failure to respond to MH370's turnback, I simply think that at the time it was beyond their imagining that such a thing could happen, and they were not in any kind of alert posture to respond to any threats. Which makes you wondered why they bothered to have radar coverage...